Q. What do you charge for intern training?
A. There is no charge. We provide training in exchange for work done at Barking Frogs Permaculture Center.
Q. Do you provide a stipend?
A. No. While there are some projects where we would provide a stipend if possible, there just isn’t any money to do so.
If you have paid tuition at a college or university lately, you know just what training costs. We have designed a program that
anyone can afford, but we can’t further subsidize your training.
Q. Do you pay transportation costs?
A. No. All your personal expenses are your own responsibility.
Q. Will you accept interns from other countries?
A. Yes. Interns need to have sufficient English language skill to follow instructions accurately. We often ask interns
to help us with our publications, which requires a very good command of English. Unfortunately, we do not have funds to that.
There are some groups that will help you with transportation, provide a small stipend, and place you in internships with grass
roots programs such as ours. We do not maintain a list of such programs.
Q. Can you help me obtain a visa to be an intern at your center.
A. No. We have no official status with the US government. Obtaining a visa is between you and immigration officials. We
cannot assume official responsibility for anyone who comes to the USA.
Q. Can I earn money if I come to the USA to intern at Barking Frogs? Permaculture Center.
A. This is a difficult matter. Anyone visiting the USA on a visa requires a green card receive pay for work. These are
difficult to obtain. You also would need an automobile to commute to and from your job. It is wise to assume that the only
money you will have in the USA is the money that you bring with you.
Q. How much work will I have to do?
A. Typically, we expect interns to do 40 hours of work, including any required training to do that work. We are very
flexible about scheduling to allow for people to have part-time jobs or commute efficiently, etc.
Q. What skills do I need?
A. You must be able to understand spoken English well enough to follow instructions. No other skills are required,
though we do like to know what other skills you bring as we may employ them from time to time.
Q. Will I have to work very hard?
A. We are far more interested in efficiency, quality of work done, and enjoyment of the work and the setting, than in how
much energy you expend. Lethargic people, however, do not fit here. If you want to do the minimum of work for what you can
get in training, you are not thinking in a way that fits here. Neither is it useful to obsessively work. We want everyone
to "have a life" as the expression goes. The work should be a part of that good life to the extent reasonable.
Q. What work will I be doing?
A. That’s a good question, but not one simply answered. We have so many useful things that can be done here that it
is very easy for us to tailor a large part of an intern’s work assignments to meet the intern’s goals. Everyone here
shares in the routine tasks, also, and not all of them are equally interesting. Sometimes work on a project that is allied
to an intern’s goal has very tedious aspects. For example, building cinemas requires a lot of routine work. Once built,
the investment of work pays off. We would not be doing the intern a favor by letting him/her play with an existing
chinampa without the experience of what it takes to create one.
Q. How much decision-making leeway would I have as an intern.
A. Initially, very little. Dan Hemenway will assign your tasks and provide whatever training is needed for you to
complete them. As you become more attuned to our work, we probably will assign a project that will be mostly your
responsibility. This of course requires that you plan to be here long enough to complete the project. You will have
limited decision making input if you are assigned a project. The less supervision you require, the better it is for us,
too, as we have other work to be doing. Whenever practical, we like to give an intern a project, even if it is just building
one raised bed or managing a certain area of newly planted trees. This gives a feeling of pride in accomplishment. That is
good for both the intern and the project itself. Where a certain type of project would be helpful on your resume, we will
make reasonable adjustments to give you some responsibility for it.
Q. Is the internship all manual labor?
A. Not usually. We combine office work with outdoor work, and encourage people to do the outdoor work in the most
comfortable part of the day. If you have a poor command of written English, as would be the case for most people from
non-English-speaking countries, we may not be able to assign any office work. If you are skilled in written English,
you may do some work on our publications. We sorely need illustrators, as well.
Q. Will I learn Permaculture Design as an intern?
A. Not necessarily. Internships provide training for tasks that the intern performs. To even begin participating in
the design process, one needs a certificate course in permaculture. Only interns who have such training will be assigned
design work and given additional training as required. However, all interns are welcome to attend our online Permaculture
Design Correspondence Course to the extent that the course schedule overlaps their internship stay. There is no charge for
active interns who take the course. The course schedule varies from year to year at our convenience. However, it has never
been offered in the summer months. So summer internships probably would not include this benefit.
Q. I will need some income if I intern at Barking Frogs Permaculture Center. How can I earn it?
Mainly, there are three ways.
1) The most obvious one is to get a part time job. We have no problem adjusting the work schedule of an intern to fit the
requirements of a part-time employer.
2) Over time, an intern can develop a profit sharing enterprise at Barking Frogs Farm (where the Permaculture Center of
that name is located). When the income that the intern develops exceeds our accumulated costs in having the intern, we
begin profit sharing. Over time, this can develop into something called commonworks, an actual livelihood in which the former
intern is now a kind of partner in a business. This route to self-employment requires no capital or startup expertise on the
part of the intern, because we already have the land base and can share expertise. Eventually, a commonworks business may
separate and become a distinct enterprise, located elsewhere, or it may continue indefinitely allied with Barking Frogs
3) A third route is to write grants for various projects that we do not yet undertake due to lack of funds. The intern
writes him/herself into the grant as some kind of assistant. We have material on grant writing, can sometimes support the
intern attending courses on grantsmanship, and can help in the program narrative and budget development aspects of such
If you need money, you will need a part-time job for a while as these other options take some time to develop.
There is no point in thinking about options 2 and 3 in, say, an internship of only three months.
Q. Can I get college credit for the internship?
A. That depends on your college. If your major field of study is somehow allied to permaculture, you may even be able
to arrange special credit where no formal internship credit policy exists. Moreover, if you take the full design course
during the internship, that in itself should be worth about a semester’s credits. The online course runs 5 to 6 months,
depending on the needs of the students.
Q. Can you help me go further in permaculture after the internship.
A. Probably. For one thing, we are open to people who join us as collaborators in the programs of Barking Frogs
Permaculture Center. There is more to do than we can get done. Moreover, we have contacts in other countries where we
need Permaculture Corps people to help in the establishment of permaculture in those regions. As of this writing, we
have the potential for advanced permaculture internships in Kenya and Natal (the Zulu part of South Afric
are frequently contacted by people in other places where such work would be useful if we had the people available. You
would need to acquire our basic certificate to move toward any of these options.
Q. Will you house and feed me?
A. Not as part of the internship. However, we expect most interns to need a place to stay and we have room in the
Permaculture Center building for that. People stay as our personal guests, not in exchange for any work. This must be
very clear or we are in a difficult legal position. In any case, we do not require people to stay with us nor are we
required to provide a place to stay. That is a separate matter that we can discuss when the time comes. Likewise, meals
are not a feature of the internship. However we will not let anyone go hungry and we have basic grains and legumes
available for people who want to prepare meals for themselves. The Permaculture Center building is a doublewide mobile
home that originally served as a residence, so it has a full kitchen. In keeping with the permaculture principle of sharing
surplus, we may have vegetables from the garden, eggs, etc., to give away from time to time. Interns with us for several
months can also have private gardens, there is often game (squirrel, raccoon, possum, etc.) and sometimes fish available, etc.
Once a week everyone on site shares a dinner, for which we provide the food.
UPDATE ON HOUSING: The guest room in the permaculture center needs major repair and will not be
available until this is done. We have higher priorities at present. An intern could put part time into moving these repairs
forward. Meanwhile, an intern could live off-site or bring a tent for camping. We would of course provide emergency shelter
to campers in the case of severe storms. 11/09/01
Q. What are the most attractive features of the internship?
A. * First of all, you will be receiving training from Dan Hemenway. In the early 1980s, Bill Mollison approved three
people in the Western Hemisphere as permaculture teachers. Of those three, only Dan Hemenway remains an active teacher today.
He has had extensive experience with training and supervision of comparable projects.
* We moved here because of the beauty of the place. There are many kinds of beauty on the Earth, but we have found none that
surpass the beauty of this setting. It is perfect for people of a reflective frame of mind, in particular.
* Obviously, if you are in a position to take advantage of the free design course and/or the commonworks options, these are
tremendous advantages that might not be possible any other way.
Q. OK, what are the drawbacks?
A. Well, that partially depends on the person.
* We do not want illegal drugs or tobacco on our property, period. This is not a judgment regarding people who use
these substances, simply what we want for what is, after all, our personal space.
* If you like quiet and are self-motivated, you will not find the isolation and lack of social interaction here a
problem. Dan is reclusive and Cynthia is getting that way. We are happy to provide training and supervision where
needed. Dan otherwise likes to work alone almost invariably. Cynthia usually is not here during the day. You might
be the only intern. Dan will probably shoot you or at least your radio if you play loud music. If we have two interns
(our self-imposed limit), each will have different work assignments. Dan is of the philosophy that the best way to double
the output of a team of two people is to send one of them away. So if you have a large need for social interaction, stop
reading. You will not be happy here.
* Curiosity is a great trait, but it has its down side. If you like to rummage and wander where you haven’t been
invited, you had best do it elsewhere.
* You really need your own transportation, a car, motor scooter (dangerous on our access roads, etc.
Q. What kinds of people are you looking for?
A. The most important traits are
1) absolute honesty and forthrightness and
2) Deep respect for private space and boundaries.
3) Almost as important is motivation and the desire to learn what we can teach.
4) As we have already suggested, the lazy person and the workaholic are equally inappropriate here.
5) We will probably become friends if you also have a sense of humor and a deep appreciation of beauty. A reverence for
life would not hurt.
6) If you have the knack for knowing when to take initiative and when to come back for guidance, that is great, but a
willingness to acquire this rare skill is almost as good.
7) We do not much care about race, color, sexual preference, etc.,
and we would not enjoy the company of people who make an issue of these matters. 8) We will rejoice in any skills you
happen to bring, but we do not weigh them a whole lot in screening applicants. Your quality of character is our major
Q. What are the other considerations that I should know about?
A. Well, first of all, if you are allergic to insect bites, you should not come here. No one escapes the fire ants.
We have a goodly number of poisonous snakes on the place and we do not allow any harm to come to them. Mostly these are
water moccasins, which are not afraid of people and will neither get out of your way or change course if you happen to
be in their way. Some are very large. You need to be aware of where you put your hands and feet. We have seen just one
coral snake and probably there are rattlesnakes around, though we have not yet encountered any. We have seen no scorpions,
but they could be around. And of course there are alligators, which are unlikely to harm anyone unless sorely put upon. You
are more likely to be struck by lightening than bit by a poisonous snake or alligator, but this is no place for a
The summer climate is miserably hot and humid and the central air conditioning in the permaculture center
has died of old age. We cannot afford to replace it and will slowly add room air conditioners.
However the intern workspace is unlikely to be air-conditioned for some time, as Dan’s office and then the guest room have
Finally, if you do not have a car, you are pretty much stuck here. Alligators on the causeway aside, this
is not a good bicycle place unless you think that it is fun to pedal along deep soft sand and dodge cars on narrow dirt
roads that drop off 6 feet into a Florida swamp. We are about 4 miles from "town," a convenience store gas station,
two churches, and a farm supply facility. We are nearly 30 miles from Ocala and more than 30 Miles from Gainesville, the
two nearest communities large enough to support movie theaters. Opportunities to ride with us, even one way, will be
Q. Sounds great! How do I sign up?
A. We have a fairly formal screening process. Obviously, screening is mutual and we put all the negative stuff we can
think of out front so that we can avoid wasted time. If you remain interested,
first you write two essays, each no more than
500 words. The first essay should introduce yourself as a person, so we can get a sense of to whom we are talking. We can
send you our annual letter that is sort of the same thing. You may have this by now, as it can be downloaded from our web
site. The second essay should state your goals for an internship with us. Do not waste space on goals that we clearly cannot
help you meet.
We will review the goals and tell you candidly our assessment of the likelihood that an internship of the
duration you propose can meet each individual goal. This is your chance to back out if we just are not going to meet, for
whatever reason, goals that are central to you. The statement of goals will be later used by Dan in designing your work
If we are all jolly about the essays, we will schedule an interview at Barking Frogs Farm. This is our last chance
to check each other out before a go/no-go decision. Do not hold back questions for the interview that you could ask in
advance. If we suspect that someone has done this, we may nix the internship for that reason alone. We don’t have time for
If you have to travel so far that a separate trip for an interview would pose a hardship, we can arrange a trial period.
It is doubly important to resolve all possible questions before travel in that case.
Q. An internship with Barking Frogs Permaculture Center may not work out for me. Is there any other way that I can become involved?
A. Yes. There are several options, in that case. The most obvious is to work on our projects as a volunteer. There can be some training benefits and the commitment for both of us is much less. Some kinds of projects are suited to volunteering at a distance. You can also arrange for us to lead workshops or teach a certificate course in your region. Or you can take our Online Permaculture Design Course as a tuition student. We have a large selection of publications that you can simply buy and read.
Q. All this screening sounds like a lot of fuss. Is it OK if I just drop by and talk with you for a few hours and look your place over.
A. No. Absolutely not. Don’t even think it. Dan has experience living in a "permaculture zoo" and he didn’t like it. Our home is our retreat and we protect that privacy. Since there is a possibility that some good could come from self-invited visitors, we do consider requests for visits at least a month in advance, provided it is understood that the visitors will spend at least 90 percent of the time on site working at assigned tasks. This needs to be a rain or shine work commitment, as we divert time from other tasks to prepare for the work that you will do. Typically we cut surplus vegetation to be gathered by volunteers. If they do not show up, the biomass becomes destructive, blotting out areas, instead of being used for compost or mulch where needed.
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